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Thursday September 20, 2007 at 12:36 PM

My (short) list of tips to make collaboration easier for everyone (in no particular order). 1. Use a metronome/click track for the source file that people will be referencing. I know some people are against the metronome because it can take away from the live feeling but you can re-record the song with no metronome after it's been collaborated on when people are more familiar with the song, your style and timing. 2. Use separate tracks for each instrument and vocals as much as possible, mixes of tracks in a single file make it difficult for people to collaborate. Using mixes for the session player is fine if you also make the separated tracks available in the session player file list. 3. Make sure your guitars are in tune. I know it seems obvious but there are too many songs on Indaba that have out of tune guitar parts. 4. When doing vocals use a pop guard, if you don't know what that is listen to this... http://www.tenhauser.com/rhaud_00.mp3 5. Try to do your mixdowns from the session player at as high a volume you can. 6. If you use fx for vocals then make a no-fx version available in the session files. 7. Try to make sure that sound starts within a few seconds for the mixdown. When using the preview button on Indaba if no sound starts then people will just move on. If you want people to hear your song have it start when the button is pressed.
6 Comments:
Helen Hansenn said:
Thursday September 20, 2007 at 01:07 PM

1, 2, 6, 7
Indaba is not logic or cubase. It could show the principal of recording no more yet. I could export each audio track per track as well to online session but i can't work within. Just try split track online - you'll see.

3, 4 - That's right, Ashley!

5 - wrong but final tests not for real monitoring.

Dan Zaccagnino said:
Thursday September 20, 2007 at 02:15 PM

Ashley - thanks for posting those tips. I think they are all great tips and are very helpful. I've come across many issues you are providing solutions to so hopefully people will take them to heart.

Helen - I'm not sure I totally understand your comments but if you are having any problems with the console please let us know! We are trying to improve it every day and, while it isn't meant to be a replacement for logic or any other desktop software we do want to know what we can do to make it work with these programs as much as possible as well as be a helpful tool for people who don't have more powerful recording/editing software.

Great post about the pop-guard too! Thanks.

Helen Hansenn said:
Thursday September 20, 2007 at 05:04 PM

I'm sorry for my english - i just wanna help you. Indaba is a great project and Ashley's tips are great.

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But let's make music.

i do:

open logic/cubase/dp/ect. project. syncronize tracks on left corner, export each track (and fxs) in audio. Than i go to indaba and i see:

upload my files knob
move file to track
snap to grid
grid on and off
to see unfunctionaly picture of lens (looks good)
zoom in and out
move up and down
move parts left and right
vol automation
pan at ~ -10...-15 as default
move region borders

for collaboration reason you will:

listen, download mix as "grid preview" to your sequenser (or each files for mixing on your or studio gear), than load results back.

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There's multitrack player with some helpful features. There's no needs to hide tracks option (with two options) inside, there's no needs some cubase features - all i have for now is a realy all i need for best preview playing.

PLAYER - that's the key! A lot of works has come offline:(. I think usefull playing is a great feature.

Ashley Witt said:
Thursday September 20, 2007 at 08:56 PM

helen,

I'll address other points later but on #5, I should have included that with #7, the volume should be up as high as possible when doing a mixdown from the session player to make it "listen friendly" for the preview buttons on Indaba. I don't think anyone considers the mixdown as an engineered or mastered version from the session player. You were right in questioning that statement as it is, especially considering the language barrier.

With that said, it would be interesting if you did some of your music in English also, you should pick a song that you've done and try it. Obviously you can sing so the only thing you don't have to worry about that part, just about pronunciation and phrasing.

Dan Zaccagnino said:
Thursday September 20, 2007 at 11:29 PM

Helen - no apologies for your English!!! It's much better than my Russian : )

I'll send you a message directly as well but you if I understand correctly it sounds like you have a good process going. I'd be interested in what other tools we could add to the mixer (or the site!) that would be helpful for you.

Ash, thanks again for the tips... We're thinking about getting a page up just with tips like those so I'd love to talk more about them with you.

Helen Hansenn said:
Friday September 21, 2007 at 06:01 AM

Thank you, Dan. Get deal:). Gimme some time, pls, I'll call you back.
Ashley, i sing in English damn bad:/ - but i have one:). check my profile, there are some music of my own production. "Whad" - that's it.

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